The Great AIDS Hoax (T. C. Fry)

Anderson: Mr. Fry, before beginning this 'Interview,' I would like to state some facts about you. One, you really are Dr. T. C. Fry, having been awarded an honorary Doctor of Science degree from City University Los Angeles. Two, you wrote, among other publications, the book, The Great AIDS Hoax (Life Science Institute, 1989, ISBN#1-55830-005-8). Three, you became a disciple of Dr. Herbert M. Shelton around 1970. Four, you wrote and published other books, Natural Hygiene courses of study, newsletters, magazines, articles and portions of books authored by others. Five, your "Life Science course of study" was adopted by and is currently being used as a required part of the curriculum of a medical school in France. Six, you changed many lives by your admonition people should not poison themselves, that "Only three substances should ever enter the human body! These are, obviously, good air, pure water and foods to which we are biologically adapted." [Hoax, p. 48, Item #23] Seven, you were the acknowledged mentor to Harvey and Marilyn Diamond, co-authors of the best seller, Fit for Life. Eight, you wrote the Foreword to this Volume and made other written and verbal contributions to this book. Nine, and finally, you died on Friday, September 6, 1996, some time after returning to the U.S. with a friend from "an ozone treatment facility in the Dominican Republic run by a German," where your friend 'experimented' by taking one treatment while you "took about ten altogether."

Anderson: Who is behind "the AIDS conspiracy" and why deceive the whole world?

T. C. Fry: The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is the primary agency responsible for originating, perpetrating and perpetuating one of the most villainous and evil conspiracies ever concocted!

1. Officials of CDC deliberately and callously introduced in fearful and frightful terms, as a new disease with the acronym AIDS, a collection of immunodeficiency diseases that had long been in the medical literature!
2. Officials of CDC knew all the time that the pattern of symptoms they elected to introduce as AIDS was drug-caused and had previously been called certain stages of syphilis, Kaposi's syndrome, lymphocytopenia, pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and numerous other diseases. This was the import of numerous statements made by Dr. Harold Jaffe and Dr. James Curran originally together in the Center for Prevention Services, the Sexually Transmitted Diseases division. Now (1988-89) they head a division under the Center for Infectious Diseases dealing specifically with AIDS.
3. They knew that 100% of the homosexuals suffering from what they elected to call AIDS (Kaposi's sarcoma, lymphocytopenia, "opportunistic infections," pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and late-state syphilis) were on the drugs amyl and/or butyl nitrite. They knew these drugs were classed as immunosuppressant drugs sold out from under regulation as "deodorants." They knew that a member of the pharmaceutical combine, Burroughs-Wellcome, produced these drugs, among others and they knew that other drugs were often involved too.
4. They knew from the beginning of the conspiracy that the pattern of symptoms they chose to publicize under the catchall acronym AIDS was being called GRID (Gay Related Immunodeficiency Disease) for the purpose of throttling and derailing the gay rights movement. They elected to go with the acronym AIDS, for it had implications that could apply to the general population as well as accomplish objectives of destroying the gay rights movement.
5. They discontinued mentioning early on that 100% of sufferers of the pattern of symptoms they chose to call AIDS were on recreational drugs or medically administered immunosuppressive drugs such as antibiotics, corticosteroids (prednisone, ACTH), alien blood products, and numerous other immunodestructive drugs. In fact, they did not usually point their fingers at any of the several immunosuppressive drugs the homosexuals were taking except heroin, which was administered intravenously.
6. They knew that numerous cases of the affection they labeled as AIDS previously existed in the U.S. among the heterosexual white and black communities of drug addicts. But they chose to introduce AIDS in a most horrendous fashion, citing Haitian homosexual heroin addicts, taking care to emphasize the deadly and highly contagious character of this "baffling" new disease. They characterized the disease as having originated in Haiti when they knew better. It originated in CDC!
7. From the beginning Dr. Jaffe and Dr. Curran knew that no virus was involved in AIDS. They knew it was a drug-caused problem. They knew it was not contagious, being peculiar to those who committed acts of self-depredation with drugs. They knew that the disease they labeled AIDS existed among people with kidney transplants who received immunosuppressive drugs, among those who suffered sexual diseases who had received massive does of antibiotics, and among those who, having tumors, had received X-rays and chemotherapy (all immunosuppressive).
8. They angled their propaganda from the beginning of the conspiracy to hint that a virus or some single infectious agency caused the disease when they knew it was caused by immunosuppressive drugs and products.
9. Dr. Robert Gallo purportedly discovered the causative virus when, in fact, the so-called virus he "discovered" as HTLV (human T-cell lymphotropic virus) was really a dusting off of a "virus" he and his colleagues at the National Cancer Institute had introduced in 1980 as HTLV (human T-cell leukemia virus). Yet, with this backdrop, officials at CDC chose to serve their own bureaucratic interest, research interests and, most of all, their pharmaceutical masters in staking out new markets for them. They devised the acronym AIDS knowing that the disease was neither contagious nor transmitted. They did this with malice and evil intentions aforethought! Yes, AIDS is the product of a conspiracy. The evidence and the actions bespeak this and only this. [The Great AIDS Hoax, pp. 192-194]

Anderson: To the Cartel, your pronouncements and book, The Great AIDS Hoax, are 'heresies.' Are you concerned for your well being?

T. C. Fry: In America and many other countries, an all-powerful, multi-trillion-dollar cartel controls about all there is to control that is of significance. In this country that cartel owns and/or controls virtually all the newspapers and magazines, all the TV and radio media, owns the chemical and drug industries, controls our governments, both state and federal, controls the medical/hospital system and, I repeat, about everything else that assumes economic/political importance. Principal always overrides principle. Hence it has been aptly said that might makes right. [Hoax, p. 203]

Anderson: Are you 'admitting' that even in a democratic society, individuals who 'swim up stream,' challenging Establishment positions, are somehow 'expendable?'

T. C. Fry: The system can put anything over on us it wishes! It has the power and the resources to make us believe anything it wants us to believe to better exploit us for its greater power and profit. In the manufactured AIDS panic, all the cartel members coalesced to fool and scare our populace until it was in a frenzy of fear. All this was done so that a few more billion dollars would accrue to the medical/drug/hospital/research/bureaucratic interests. The scam has been successfully pulled off, unlike the swine flu farce, and, indeed, billions of dollars have flowed into the coffers of those interests. In addition, much power and "prestige" has been conferred upon those instrumental in perpetrating and perpetuating such a monstrous hoax. [Hoax, p. 203]

Anderson: We have some great minds in this country, and great institutions-like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Berkeley, and others. How could such a farce be put over on an entire society-world, actually?

T. C. Fry: The technique employed has been called the Hitlerian Big Lie Technique. This technique says: "If you tell a lie big enough, tell it often enough and tell it long enough, people will accept it as gospel truth." We see this as being precisely the case with the deliberate concoction of AIDS from a complex of symptoms called by more than 20 other disease designations. [The Great AIDS Hoax, p. 203]

Anderson: What 'protection' does the public have from such continuing deception, deliberate mis-information, programmed stampede, and financial rip-offs?

T. C. Fry: As to a peril and a plague, why not call sleeping pills a peril and a plague? Twice as many people are dying of them as are dying of so-called AIDS! When you realize that AIDS is, a big farce invented and fostered, firstly, to destroy the gay rights movement and, secondly, to stake out huge new economic reserves for our pharmaceutical and chemical industries, then you begin to perceive the truth. The sleeping pill business is safely in hand. The drug promoters want to develop new business. Of course they are seconded by power-hungry bureaucrats, opportunistic researchers and institutions, and a medical system that stands to benefit greatly…. [Hoax, p. 207]

Anderson: Assuming that what you say is true, what can we do about AIDS now?

T. C. Fry: What must be done about AIDS now? You should inform yourself about the atrocious plot to foist a bunch of old diseases on us under the guise of a new label for the greater financial glory of its beneficiaries. And, of course, do not be taken in by its fears or ensnaring webs. [The Great AIDS Hoax, p.208]

© Copyright 1993 by Frederick Mann, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Introduction
Chapter 1: Dr. Duesberg And AIDS
Chapter 2: How And Why The Hoax Persists
Chapter 3: The AIDS Hoax
Chapter 4: A Blessing In Disguise